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I've been in the best communique I could contact.

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I could keep on the information on this result of this thing.

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It just doesn't look that good anymore.

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I don't know anymore.

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I've got several stories as to what happened, why he hasn't submitted to this,

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why he hasn't submitted to doing these tests right away.

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A very good friend of mine is quite concerned with this thing too.

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He keeps giving me reports, statements, that just don't add up at all.

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Like they've already taken part of those tests, etc.

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And consequently our TV channel keeps reporting the fact that there has been no test taken.

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And now they refuse the test and they dropped the thing and understood the TV state tonight.

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He told that the inquirer had evidently was going to buy the story or had bought it.

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Can you tell me, now I understand that Dr. Spaulding, he's with what? Ground Research?

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Ground Saucer Watch.

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Ground Saucer Watch. Are they related to you or not?

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No.

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Okay then this part has been proven. I heard they worked but I just couldn't believe it.

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Did Dr. Spaulding actually resign from matters as they just let him go?

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Well now I don't know.

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This is for any information. I'm just trying to get a thing straight into my mind because my wife's been kind of terrified over the thing.

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And the hardest people we know up here have been over the same situation.

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Uh huh.

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And Dr. Harding did not come down, did he not?

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Well now we had the rumor here that he was going to be down with that Dr. Harder.

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Dr. Harder.

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Right.

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But he went down yet but he might go down with Dr. Harder?

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No, that's the way we understood it.

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I see.

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And then we're a long ways away and we seem to be getting a lot of bad stories here too.

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Well you know Dr. Spaulding said three or four nights ago that the newscast had found several holes in that story.

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The covers had given him.

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Yes.

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Dr. Spaulding and whoever else concerned there on that committee at that time, so-called.

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And a lot of people have asked me about friends, you know, calling the valley.

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Hey, you know, you're at the middle of what's happening.

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And I really don't like to say anything like that unless I'm sure the dog gone things.

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Yes.

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What kind of information are you getting from Dwayne?

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To start with, when they picked Dwayne up, not Dwayne rather than Travis, you heard the origin of the story when they picked him out of the phone booth.

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Yes.

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Now they had a lot of compassion in it.

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That's what made me to believe the man was telling the truth.

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When Travis tried to fight them off the phone booth, toppled up there in the phone booth, saying I need help.

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And then his brother Dwayne went up with a friend right down the street here.

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So, right down the road here and picked a grand and a half one with his brother Dwayne.

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And finally Dwayne grabbed Travis, the phone booth, just picked him up.

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he was telling that he was holding Travis just like a baby and Travis was crying in such a way.

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And, grant me the statement that it was one of the most beautiful, compassionate things you've ever seen.

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Uh-huh.

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That he was finally in the hands of help.

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Well, this thing really sounded overwhelming.

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Not only, you know, strictly.

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Not only a compassionate thing, but it looked pretty real.

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And so, of course, after they finally did get Dwayne to, uh,

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and Travis to an undisclosed place, which everybody here was told,

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in fact, we were, and we're the best friends of one of these families,

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uh, Ralph Anderson, that they were taken to Tucson.

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And of course, they went to Phoenix.

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I didn't know.

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But then, Dwayne has more or less been a spokesman.

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Travis threw out the entire ordeal as of his time.

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And, uh, now the reports we got were that strictly from Travis going to Dwayne,

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Dwayne going to Mary, that's their mother,

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and then coming to Ralph Anderson, that, uh, the tests were being made.

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Back two nights ago, I talked to Ralph about 11, 30, 12 o'clock at night.

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I was a little distressed over a thing we heard over the radio.

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I mean, the TV news.

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Ralph Maltes cleared it up with us.

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He said they have taken the voice speech test,

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and he had taken the other test by the detector, and passed it.

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Uh-huh.

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Then, Dwayne, of course, told him also that at that time,

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and Ralph told me that Sheriff Gillespie and Abel County, Holbrook,

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and a couple other sheriffs up in this area,

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are in for much more trouble than they have anticipated

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because of the D'Ralbentore reports,

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stated personally, witnessed, and D'Ralbentore articles written in the Holbrook Review

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about this particular family and members.

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And then this is what I've been getting strictly from Ralph,

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and Ralph is only getting it from Dwayne or their mother, Mary.

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And so consequently, I'm at a state of disbelief while I'm saying,

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you know, I really believed in this thing more heartily.

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Now, I know this is hard to believe.

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You have never seen one land or witnessed this,

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but sometimes, circumstantial evidence can seem so overwhelming

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that it becomes more than circumstantial.

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It becomes a real thing when you try to even use logic about it.

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Yes, that's right.

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And so Dwayne just made several comments,

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and Ralph called me this evening, telling me that Dr. Spaulding

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did not resign from the thing.

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They traveled and barely dropped him.

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He was not any longer interested in anything to do with him.

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Now, here's the story I got.

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That phenomenal research, quote, unquote, by me,

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was stated, and Dr. Spaulding wanted to write this book

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using, of course, the story, and Travis.

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But did Travis would receive any of the money or the royalty,

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or only just a small fraction,

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and that they were writing this book and this story

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for their own gainful benefits and reasons?

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I don't believe that.

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I mean, I can't believe that phenomenal research would do that,

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would they?

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Well, phenomenal research doesn't write books, period.

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I didn't think they wrote books.

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No way, Shaper Manor.

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You do not write books.

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No way.

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That's what I thought, because my information led me to cause you

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because I believe in you people.

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In many, many years, you've spent research on this thing.

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There's been a lot of hard work, and man hours have developed in it,

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and well, Spaulding himself the other night said over the TV

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that tonight that it's a fraud.

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Uh-huh.

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And so consequently, we can only believe Dr. Spaulding

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and the, I believe him, I think, a little more so now, at this time.

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Yes.

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Because they kept putting these tests off,

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and Wayne kept telling the family that the tests had been taken down here.

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And Ralph stated that he found out tonight that the story had

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somehow Travis and Wayne, one or both, contacted some man,

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I don't know the man's name, that has supposedly wrote some books, you know,

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fairly good books, and that this man is going to buy Travis a story

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for what it is, and if there's any tests to be made, I suppose

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this man will see to it that if there's any doubt in his mind

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that Travis could go on or go to his particular test

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that he might have in his mind.

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I don't doubt that. There's a lot of book writers around.

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Really?

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And, uh, but I asked Ralph a very logical question,

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and I did not know about the nominal research if they wrote books or not.

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Nevertheless, I didn't think they did, but I didn't know.

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At that time, what you do now, I'm going to be clarifying it.

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No, we've been in this for 20 years. We've never had a book yet.

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You've never published a book?

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Well, this is what I believe.

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And, uh, so consequently, I asked Ralph, I said,

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Now, I'm a friend of yours, and I'm concerned for your family,

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and you, and your next-of-kind as well, and now I asked him how

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the man, if he was really telling the truth, could afford

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to not take his necessary tests, which would prove beyond any reasonable doubt

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to the public that the man was interrogated, questioned,

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and taken necessary tests by the nominal research,

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and all others concerned related to this, you know, investigation.

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And as I explained to Ralph, it was a question that I asked, that I felt

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he could sell this book to many, many thousands of publishers,

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publishing companies as well as newspapers.

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And why sell it to one man? See, this is what don't make sense to me.

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So I'm kind of considering the whole thing.

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It doesn't look as strong as it did at the very beginning,

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and I just wonder if there's any from the TV news

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that when he was supposed to have appeared this morning

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to take these necessary tests, he could not be reached,

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nor could his brother Dwayne at that time.

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Now, they tried, I suppose, quite hard to locate either one or both of these men.

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They could not find them. Where they were, I don't know.

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They, you know, how could anybody know.

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They have failed the peer for the test.

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And so, here's the 10 o'clock news. We're just now getting it on the air.

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But after I heard this, I got the wondering about it,

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and I talked to Ralph immediately, because I told them, and I told them,

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they definitely needed, you know, to work with the people on this.

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I was thinking if there's going to be any substituations of any, you know,

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of the fact at all, and when they contacted this other man, I don't know.

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But I just wondered what your feelings were on at the time,

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because I thought maybe you'd directly directly related to it, you might know things.

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Because all I'm hearing is what we hear from Ralph,

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and Ralph can't be blamed for this, because he's worried sick about this.

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He's got quite a few children in school,

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and he knows the harassment that they've killed, and everyone's going to be subject to,

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if this turns out to be a big bony hoax.

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So, well, we're going to keep on it from up here anyway.

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Are you, you must, what time is it here now?

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901. 901.

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Alright.

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Could you, you work a night shift or something, or what?

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Well, we're on duty all around the clock here.

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Well, I was about to say, if your finding's on this thing, why don't you give me,

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if you have any spare time, give me a, write me a little letter or something, you know,

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if you have the time. I know you're busy, but I'm already quite concerned on this thing,

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and seemingly I can't believe what we're hearing here.

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Yeah, it's got to the point now where stories are crossing each other.

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Well, I was afraid of this at first.

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Then, in fact, four, four nights ago,

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three men were supposedly hunting up the St. John.

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Have you heard about that?

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Yes, we heard about that.

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Well, did you check into it?

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Was there any substatuation to it?

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Not as far as we can tell.

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Yeah, it's going too far.

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I don't know where these three men went.

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We took a shot at it, is that the one you heard?

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And where he disappeared, the wires in the tractor vehicle were melted down.

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Right.

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Yeah, well, I, the, I've seen, I heard, quote,

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the FBI had wrote the entire area all from the phenomenal researchers on the scene and everything.

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And so, here says one thing, in fact, it's something else.

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So you really haven't went into it then?

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No, no.

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But if we do get any big information up here, we'll let you know.

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Hey, I'll give you my address.

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Do you have it? Can I get it to you tonight?

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Uh, yes.

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I hope you're about to get it.

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Anyway, just write and say a few lines or something.

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Okay, well do.

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Hey, thanks. That's right.

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Thank you for calling.

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You bet.

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Bye.